since my landlord has put the property I have been renting for 5 years up for sale, I'm probably going to have to not abide by the eviction noticed when received. Off to court we will go. If they are above the law so are we!!!
I hate to say this but the rule of law doesn’t apply to the orange cockroach. Nothing sticks. He’s never faced the consequences for his actions. Try to over throw the government? Supreme Court will give you more power. Hoard and disclose classified information? No worries, sycophant judge will dismiss the case. Commit high crimes and misdemeanors? Senate won’t convict. Now the House won’t even impeach. I am demoralized and dejected. This is worse than I ever imagined.
Sad but true. I’m in New York and Trump puppet Eric Adams is ignoring a great deal for the skating rink in Central Park so that he can find a way to award the naming rights to the Trump org (as if the Trump name won’t keep people away).
This just can’t happen. NY does not like tRumpf there & all must stop this takeover. Can you imagine gold ice??? 🤮 Can someone else like Bloomberg negotiate?
Rubio for sure. Trump is immune for official acts as pres, but his act was rendered illegal so can he be charged now? Prob not since he gets away with everything 😡
But speaking as a constitutional lawyer, the Supreme Court has not extended his immunity to anyone else. It might in the future but it hasn’t yet. Trump can’t do anything without the help of underlings unless he plans to do the searches, make the arrests and fly the planes himself. So everyone who does is at risk if they participate in violating a court order.
The judge needs to put teeth in his order and tell everyone involved in the deportations that they have an obligation to follow the law and court orders and start holding in civil and criminal contempt those who don’t, starting with Rubio. And if they still continue, order them jailed starting with Rubio. They may very well defy those orders and the Attorney General may well refuse to enforce them but they will at least have been exposed for what they are doing—completely blowing up and vestige of the rule of law.
Then it’s time to hit the streets en masse. We need 20 million out there to send the message and overwhelm any effort by Trump to use the Insurrection Act to stop us.
On the issue of immunity, let's look at an analogy. We know that Barak Obama ordered the assassination of Osama bin Laden. I don't think that any American would claim that Obama committed a crime , assuming there was jurisdiction. But if there were jurisdiction and if the issue arose as to whether Obama could be tried, the Supreme Court would have ruled that the assassination was ordered pursuant to the President's authority under the Constitution and therefore Obama would have been immune from prosecution. But what about the Special Forces operatives who actually pulled the trigger under orders ultimately from Obama? Could they be prosecuted and denied the right to invoke Obama's order and coverage under his immunity? I can't imagine that the Supreme Court wound deny that Obama's immunity extended to them, especially since the President frequently needs to delegate orders to his subordinates that are within his Constitutional authority.
I think that Rubio et al can invoke the same defense here if they were acting directly pursuant to Trump's orders. But this then raises the issue of whether Trump's order to Rubio to disregard the order of the Court was outside the scope of Trump's Constitutional authority (as an ultra vires act) and that Trump therefore did not have immunity, which I think is the most likely route the Court would take if it were to assert its authority under Marbury v Madison. Although the Court may not be able to enforce it, it would nevertheless carry great weight among Congress and the American people. If the Democrats controlled the House they would undoubtedly consider this grounds for an Article of Impeachment if Trump blatantly refused to obey an order of the Supreme Court on the grounds that he has the inherent right to disobey the Court.
How are undocumented people "alien enemies"? A case could be made for Bin Laden even if no state of declared war existed, but migrants? When that act was last invoked, I believe it was in order to intern Japanese Americans. Which was appalling, but at least the U.S. was at war with Japan.
Mr Grossberg, if Trump uses federal agents to carry out all of this can’t Trump just pardon them all if they’re convicted by a federal judge after the renditions?
Trump may have immunity in America thanks to SCOTUS but can he and his idiots be charged with crimes against humanity for sending ppl to that El Salvador prison without any due process?
Correct although only if the actions were outside the employee’s legal authority. However, if they are ordinary civil service employees and not just maga, they risk their careers even if not jail time. And finally, if federal prosecution occurs after Trump’s term and he hasn’t preemptively pardoned them, it’s too late. The employees likely will have no ironclad guarantee before they act that they will be pardoned. If I were one of them, I wouldn’t trust any promise of one.
There has to be consequences for everything. There is so much I could say but it all boils down to one thing. There has to be consequences for his actions. The people that voted for him because he hates the same people they do will come across with the death threats because that’s how they roll. Get it done and start now. You Republicans… Go back to anatomy class and study. You have a spine. This is your country also. Do something about it. You have noticed your constituents hate you and you had to be taken out of a town hall with Security and now are told not to Run them. You are a bunch of cowards.
Rule of law remains foundational to the Constitution. FFOTUS and his minions are stewards of the Constitution and incompetent. They are temporary. US Marshals be ready…
Unfortunately I do not trust the US marshalls, military, DOJ, FBI or CIA. He will turn them against us. They do not care about the rule of law anymore. If he tells Pete Hegseth to shoot and kill us he will do it gladly. He is itching for it!
They are installing people who are loyal only to him and their leaders. They will do what they are told by Pam Bondi and Kash Patel and Pete Hegseth and the rest. If not they will resign or be fired and replaced. . I think anyone who is left is afraid to go against them. I hope your right and I am wrong.
Thanks for the correction. I make a .lot of spelling errors here and don't catch them. I'm happy to be corrected so I know for the next time to double check.
Courts adjudicate prosecutions. Someone has to actually bring the case before the court. Who’s going to do that? Trump’s DoJ? This is a Federal matter. So a state Attorney General can only bring limited action. Probably in the form of a civil case.
As AG said. There may be a mechanism where the court of record (in this case Bosberg) charges Trump or Rubio with civil contempt and then appoints someone to enforce the action.
Your guess is as good as mine. Just because I somewhat understand the issue doesn’t mean I have a solution. *sigh*
The best I can do is to keep talking about this stuff. Try to keep spreading truth. Support organizations that do have the knowledge to fight it. Shine a light on every illegal action. Complain to our representatives. Just be noisy about it.
Yikes! This is uncharted territory & frankly it scares the ever living shite-outta-meh. I am throwing spells out into the ether for ketamine, cholesterol & acts if goddess to work their magic. FUKKKK!
OMG. Me too and I'm not laughing because I'm afraid of bad karma back to me but everyday I look for a karma asteroid to wipe them out like the dinosaurs. I wake up every morning (I'm 68 and lucky I wake up) to check first thing to see if the Nazi od'd on ketamine or the Tangerine Tyrant popped off (but he deserves worse than getting off that easy. Something like locked in syndrome where he can't speak or move and has to communicate by blinking) but this is so much worse than just them. He has installed every horror in our gov't. Thiel/Vance are as dangerous. These RW Christofascists have played the long game for over 50 years until they found the perfect malevolent malignant puppet. He changed the entire world order. Everyone is terrified. I'm not going to live long enough to see if we recover. Robert Reich said it could take a decade or a generation. I am so sorry for this world being left to my young nieces and nephews. I voted for them even if their parents didn't. 😭
Is this REALLY the first order they’ve defied? I’m not so sure. It might be the most brazenly defied, but pretty sure USAID still isn’t fully funded for one thing.
The court only said to pay the contractors for the work done and invoiced so even if that is done there's no future funding being released and by now the contractors have either had to look elsewhere or have had to disband. Disgusting.
Time to walk into Mar a Lago and do a citizens arrest.
It should be clear to everyone at this point that this fascist regime is in the process of taking over! We need to act now! Our Democratic leaders need to start immediately... running around with their hair on fire, screaming and yelling about the authoritarian takeover!🔥
They should be getting together and planning to gather all of us into the streets demanding s STOP to the fascist takeover!
1. He plans to rewrite, or even dispose of, our constitution.
Which means:
2. To him, laws do not apply. Not to him or anyone in his criminal enterprise.
Since he has his loyalists in power with him now (bc NO ONE HAS THE BALLS TO STOP HIM) SERIOUS POWER will be needed to "make" him do it. There are simply too many cowards in D.C.‼️
Florida residents should report Marco to the Florida bar association for ignoring a court ruling.
Yes. If they are afraid to jail trump then Jail Rubio. We have to start somewhere so do it Now without delay‼️‼️‼️‼️
If they aren’t held in contempt then we have no rules.
Rules for thee but not for me?
Yes. NOW WHAT? We have truly become a country without laws! Scary!
Remember the self righteous insolence of Vance in Munich lecturing the Europeans?
Remember Vance lecturing Kier Starmer in the Oval Office on civil liberties?
since my landlord has put the property I have been renting for 5 years up for sale, I'm probably going to have to not abide by the eviction noticed when received. Off to court we will go. If they are above the law so are we!!!
That POS thinks the law doesn’t apply to him , resist
I hate to say this but the rule of law doesn’t apply to the orange cockroach. Nothing sticks. He’s never faced the consequences for his actions. Try to over throw the government? Supreme Court will give you more power. Hoard and disclose classified information? No worries, sycophant judge will dismiss the case. Commit high crimes and misdemeanors? Senate won’t convict. Now the House won’t even impeach. I am demoralized and dejected. This is worse than I ever imagined.
Sad but true. I’m in New York and Trump puppet Eric Adams is ignoring a great deal for the skating rink in Central Park so that he can find a way to award the naming rights to the Trump org (as if the Trump name won’t keep people away).
This just can’t happen. NY does not like tRumpf there & all must stop this takeover. Can you imagine gold ice??? 🤮 Can someone else like Bloomberg negotiate?
The SCOTUS told him… he is above the law!
Every law is worth fighting for.
Rubio for sure. Trump is immune for official acts as pres, but his act was rendered illegal so can he be charged now? Prob not since he gets away with everything 😡
But speaking as a constitutional lawyer, the Supreme Court has not extended his immunity to anyone else. It might in the future but it hasn’t yet. Trump can’t do anything without the help of underlings unless he plans to do the searches, make the arrests and fly the planes himself. So everyone who does is at risk if they participate in violating a court order.
The judge needs to put teeth in his order and tell everyone involved in the deportations that they have an obligation to follow the law and court orders and start holding in civil and criminal contempt those who don’t, starting with Rubio. And if they still continue, order them jailed starting with Rubio. They may very well defy those orders and the Attorney General may well refuse to enforce them but they will at least have been exposed for what they are doing—completely blowing up and vestige of the rule of law.
Then it’s time to hit the streets en masse. We need 20 million out there to send the message and overwhelm any effort by Trump to use the Insurrection Act to stop us.
On the issue of immunity, let's look at an analogy. We know that Barak Obama ordered the assassination of Osama bin Laden. I don't think that any American would claim that Obama committed a crime , assuming there was jurisdiction. But if there were jurisdiction and if the issue arose as to whether Obama could be tried, the Supreme Court would have ruled that the assassination was ordered pursuant to the President's authority under the Constitution and therefore Obama would have been immune from prosecution. But what about the Special Forces operatives who actually pulled the trigger under orders ultimately from Obama? Could they be prosecuted and denied the right to invoke Obama's order and coverage under his immunity? I can't imagine that the Supreme Court wound deny that Obama's immunity extended to them, especially since the President frequently needs to delegate orders to his subordinates that are within his Constitutional authority.
I think that Rubio et al can invoke the same defense here if they were acting directly pursuant to Trump's orders. But this then raises the issue of whether Trump's order to Rubio to disregard the order of the Court was outside the scope of Trump's Constitutional authority (as an ultra vires act) and that Trump therefore did not have immunity, which I think is the most likely route the Court would take if it were to assert its authority under Marbury v Madison. Although the Court may not be able to enforce it, it would nevertheless carry great weight among Congress and the American people. If the Democrats controlled the House they would undoubtedly consider this grounds for an Article of Impeachment if Trump blatantly refused to obey an order of the Supreme Court on the grounds that he has the inherent right to disobey the Court.
How are undocumented people "alien enemies"? A case could be made for Bin Laden even if no state of declared war existed, but migrants? When that act was last invoked, I believe it was in order to intern Japanese Americans. Which was appalling, but at least the U.S. was at war with Japan.
“…it would nevertheless carry great weight among Congress and the American people.”
Exactly who needs the facts !! Question all of it because all of it is questionable.
Remember where the intelligence resides.
Mr Grossberg, if Trump uses federal agents to carry out all of this can’t Trump just pardon them all if they’re convicted by a federal judge after the renditions?
Trump may have immunity in America thanks to SCOTUS but can he and his idiots be charged with crimes against humanity for sending ppl to that El Salvador prison without any due process?
What about crimes against humanity against Trump and Rubio etc., for sending ppl to that horrible prison without any due process?
Do you know who, what body, initializes the 25th Amendment???
You are right Carolyn that Drumpf is immune, but every minion under him can face punishment. The only other thing is Drumpf can just pardon them
If it's a state charge, does frump still have 'pardoning powers'????
Absolutely not!
No, he cannot pardon State crimes
Correct although only if the actions were outside the employee’s legal authority. However, if they are ordinary civil service employees and not just maga, they risk their careers even if not jail time. And finally, if federal prosecution occurs after Trump’s term and he hasn’t preemptively pardoned them, it’s too late. The employees likely will have no ironclad guarantee before they act that they will be pardoned. If I were one of them, I wouldn’t trust any promise of one.
Forgot about that dammit
And onward !
I think contempt is civil not criminal? So immunity might not apply.
I also read this
There has to be consequences for everything. There is so much I could say but it all boils down to one thing. There has to be consequences for his actions. The people that voted for him because he hates the same people they do will come across with the death threats because that’s how they roll. Get it done and start now. You Republicans… Go back to anatomy class and study. You have a spine. This is your country also. Do something about it. You have noticed your constituents hate you and you had to be taken out of a town hall with Security and now are told not to Run them. You are a bunch of cowards.
Sadly, having Chuck Schumer as our leader in the Senate doesn’t help. He is as spineless as Mike Johnson, Rubio, etc.
Schumer is a hole in the air.
Maybe he’s planning for retirement.
And then they came for…
Welcome to the New World Order
Rule of law remains foundational to the Constitution. FFOTUS and his minions are stewards of the Constitution and incompetent. They are temporary. US Marshals be ready…
Unfortunately I do not trust the US marshalls, military, DOJ, FBI or CIA. He will turn them against us. They do not care about the rule of law anymore. If he tells Pete Hegseth to shoot and kill us he will do it gladly. He is itching for it!
It’s trump’s new leaders of these organizations that shouldn’t be trusted, not all the employees of each.
They are installing people who are loyal only to him and their leaders. They will do what they are told by Pam Bondi and Kash Patel and Pete Hegseth and the rest. If not they will resign or be fired and replaced. . I think anyone who is left is afraid to go against them. I hope your right and I am wrong.
Not to be overly pedantic but it's "US Marshal", not "Marshall"...several posters also used the latter, no bueno.
Thanks for the correction. I make a .lot of spelling errors here and don't catch them. I'm happy to be corrected so I know for the next time to double check.
Why don’t the courts prosecute them for breaking the law like any other citizen
Exactly!!!!
Courts adjudicate prosecutions. Someone has to actually bring the case before the court. Who’s going to do that? Trump’s DoJ? This is a Federal matter. So a state Attorney General can only bring limited action. Probably in the form of a civil case.
As AG said. There may be a mechanism where the court of record (in this case Bosberg) charges Trump or Rubio with civil contempt and then appoints someone to enforce the action.
And what then??? I have no idea 🤷♀️
Your guess is as good as mine. Just because I somewhat understand the issue doesn’t mean I have a solution. *sigh*
The best I can do is to keep talking about this stuff. Try to keep spreading truth. Support organizations that do have the knowledge to fight it. Shine a light on every illegal action. Complain to our representatives. Just be noisy about it.
Yikes! This is uncharted territory & frankly it scares the ever living shite-outta-meh. I am throwing spells out into the ether for ketamine, cholesterol & acts if goddess to work their magic. FUKKKK!
OMG. Me too and I'm not laughing because I'm afraid of bad karma back to me but everyday I look for a karma asteroid to wipe them out like the dinosaurs. I wake up every morning (I'm 68 and lucky I wake up) to check first thing to see if the Nazi od'd on ketamine or the Tangerine Tyrant popped off (but he deserves worse than getting off that easy. Something like locked in syndrome where he can't speak or move and has to communicate by blinking) but this is so much worse than just them. He has installed every horror in our gov't. Thiel/Vance are as dangerous. These RW Christofascists have played the long game for over 50 years until they found the perfect malevolent malignant puppet. He changed the entire world order. Everyone is terrified. I'm not going to live long enough to see if we recover. Robert Reich said it could take a decade or a generation. I am so sorry for this world being left to my young nieces and nephews. I voted for them even if their parents didn't. 😭
Get up off your knees
and say no.
That is so true! This is THE moment, where “first they came for…” is beginning to transpire…
Ppl must be loud now!
Actually, the poor kid (Khalil?) is still in Louisiana. Basically, a kidnapping.
Is he? Not Gitmo or El Salvador?
Is this REALLY the first order they’ve defied? I’m not so sure. It might be the most brazenly defied, but pretty sure USAID still isn’t fully funded for one thing.
The court only said to pay the contractors for the work done and invoiced so even if that is done there's no future funding being released and by now the contractors have either had to look elsewhere or have had to disband. Disgusting.
Time to walk into Mar a Lago and do a citizens arrest.
It should be clear to everyone at this point that this fascist regime is in the process of taking over! We need to act now! Our Democratic leaders need to start immediately... running around with their hair on fire, screaming and yelling about the authoritarian takeover!🔥
They should be getting together and planning to gather all of us into the streets demanding s STOP to the fascist takeover!
THE TIME FOR DECORUM IS OVER!
🔥Two things we know about rump:
1. He plans to rewrite, or even dispose of, our constitution.
Which means:
2. To him, laws do not apply. Not to him or anyone in his criminal enterprise.
Since he has his loyalists in power with him now (bc NO ONE HAS THE BALLS TO STOP HIM) SERIOUS POWER will be needed to "make" him do it. There are simply too many cowards in D.C.‼️
This was as clear an analysis as I’ve seen anywhere. Thank you. I will subscribe